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What to say instead of “guys”? If you were from the south, or even Maryland like I am, you could say “you all” or “y’all”. It’s fun! I do say guys sometimes, but I try to say “you all”.
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Hey, guys. Oh, sorry, didn’t mean to offend you!
Seriously, though, I do NOT feel that the term “guys” is meant to make women invisible or demean them. I grew up in Nebraska and “guys” is a term we used to include everyone around us; all male, all female, mixed groups. I do not believe it is derogatory. Maybe it is the context in which it is used. For example, I don’t care for it when a young waiter in a nice restaurant refers to our table of women as “guys” as in, “Hi, my name is Eric and I’ll be serving you guys.” In that case it sounds a little too casual and maybe too familiar somehow. But saying, “Hey, guys, where should we eat?” to a group of friends or family members is not meant, and should not be taken, to be sexist, in my opinion.
By the way, I found it interesting that in your discussion you struggled to come up with a good alternative. I absolutely refuse to call any group my “peeps” so I will continue saying “guys” and offending people. 🙂
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Sometimes it is not our intention to harm others, but we do. Our language is loaded with little landmines – most of which we accept without thinking, or without knowing the origin. Only after I had a colleague who transitioned from male to female did I understand how hurtful ‘guys’ could be. It was the ‘go to’ term in the office for meetings, lunches, etc. She finally had to ask each of us to refrain from using the term. We were a staff of women at the time so there were lots of alternatives – some not appropriate, but that’s another story. When we went coed with a male hire coming up with new ‘everyone’ terms was a game. Yes, ‘everyone’ made the list. So did comrades, team, gang, people, tribe, etc. Point is, it just takes a little effort to make something better for everyone, and eventually, the new normal will be effortless, too.
BTW – did you know that Mrs. stands for Mister’s? As in property of Mr. Just sayin’ – we can do better.
I’m late to the party, but I am just on Ep. 50 and heard the conversation re: guys.
This is something we have actually discussed in our home several times (part of larger conversations regarding pronouns for folks who are not cis). We came to the conclusion that using the word “guys” for any group of people is a extremely Midwest thing (I am just outside of Chicago).
I’ve discussed this with multiple people who have transitioned and all of them feel that “guys” is gender neutral – in our area. Clearly they cannot speak for everyone, but seems to be regional. For the record, in my all female office, we use the phrase “minions” which I would guess many folks would be offended by :-), although all of us use guys as well.